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<DIV>Ran,</DIV>
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<DIV>Do you mind citing a court case where someone is convicted for
pinging a host (or 100,000 of them for research purposes)?</DIV>
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<DIV>Dmitri</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rja@extremenetworks.com href="mailto:rja@extremenetworks.com">RJ
Atkinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=dga@lcs.mit.edu
href="mailto:dga@lcs.mit.edu">David G. Andersen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=end2end-interest@postel.org
href="mailto:end2end-interest@postel.org">end2end-interest@postel.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 15, 2004 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [e2e]where can i find an ip
or host address list?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:09, David G. Andersen wrote:<BR>>
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 11:26:08AM -0400, RJ Atkinson
scribed:<BR>>><BR>>> You need to get advance permission from the
legitimate owner/operator<BR>>> of any host you might probe. To
run a probe of someone else's system<BR>>> without<BR>>> specific
advance permission could violate the law and is certainly<BR>>>
anti-social<BR>>> behaviour.<BR>><BR>> IANAL, but
court decisions in the US have generally said that<BR>> pinging hosts isn't
against the law. Lots of research projects do<BR>> this all of the
time. They often generate complaints, however,<BR>> and it's best to
take several steps to avoid stepping on people's<BR>> toes. I'll send
out the list I've compiled once I find it - totally<BR>> hosed with the
NSDI deadline right now.<BR><BR>David,<BR><BR>There are court cases contrary
to what you say, both in the US and <BR>overseas.<BR>Moreover, the
correspondent is in China, not the US. Chinese law is
<BR>quite<BR>unrelated to any US legal precedents that might exist in some US
<BR>jurisdictions.<BR><BR>And trying to establish a TCP connection is not the
same as sending an<BR>ICMP Echo Request.<BR><BR>I stand by my original comment
*as I originally phrased it*.<BR><BR>Ran<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>