[e2e] end-to-end -ness defeats content controls

[George Michaelson]

Thanks for the refs. I tried to touch on the conflict of e2e with hierarchical
networks, one possible exemplar is the assumption that broadcast media
is inherently one-way, when in fact its a social construct on top
of a multi-way medium. Nothing except social constraint prevents us all
cranking up on the FM waves our own music or comment over that of the
stations, its not 'designed in' the way it might be if we had digital
radio over satellite for instance. Actually, what I mainly said is
that the dead hand of assets which stand at risk of being seized which
makes even one-way broadcast media stick to the IPR game.

I think we are probably much in agreement in this fora. I tried to raise
much of your polemic myself, and then edited it out. They'll junk my
submission for lack of rigour, but really the argument about why IPR is
bad in principle needs to be made in a non-technical sense, and I think
thats what you seem to be saying. My personal favourite line is that
it is an increadibly bad 'fit' with property law, where there are principles
about alienation of the property, or subdivision, and where theft really does
mean directly denying the use of the property to the owner. Contrast with IPR
where you can 'steal' things but the owner gets to keep them....

Clearly where there is a loss, its an opportunity cost not a real loss. And
that permits the social cost to be placed alongside. So I think if we have to
wear IPR, it needs to be in the context of the balance between society and
individual rights. That swing is badly baldy off to one side right now, and
we need to rectify that.

<aside to the e2e jokers!>

Yes, I too considered the 'seminal work' line. I decided that a better
threnody for our times might be 'spent force' but that implies a vigour
I fear in my case wasn't there in the first place...

<unaside>


I think that we need to be mindful elephone engineers (yes, the T is missing
I rather like the idea of all those elephant elephones) were set some goals
Internet archiects didn't set themselves, like backwards compatibility
with electro-mechanical devices, and billing from day one. But, even noting
that we coulda done a better job with phones too. WAP! my god, will there
ever be a justification for that one? 

Jun Marai talked about how gps enabled sensors on IPv6 enabled cars which
can say if the windscreen wipers are on is an example of the kind of
synergistic outcome of Internet which isn't predicted coming in, but which
can leverage things like constantly updated weathermaps which are
real-world valuable (modulo the number of cars who report, and their
distribution, and the noise levels from people who just run wipers for the
heck of it) But the guy next to me pointed out that weather radar actually
had that sown up pretty well. But, its a rather sweet idea, and maybe ther
is something in e2e about that kind of effect too.

It sometimes makes me suspect  that its all descending to the ephemeral..

cheers
	-George