[e2e] overlay over TCP
Joe Touch
touch at ISI.EDU
Thu Jan 13 13:45:50 PST 2005
David P. Reed wrote:
> The reason not to depend on SCTP is the same reason that UDP isn't
> adequate.
I said DCCP, not SCTP, FWIW, and for a number of reasons.
> The social (non-technical) processes of the "internet
> community" have labeled anything non-TCP as POISON, KEEP OUT.
> We have middleboxes and routers that chuck stuff like that on the floor.
Sure - at that point, you're stuck going over TCP, but then you're also
stuck with a few other things:
- ACK aggregation delays
- messages split across packets (lack of fate sharing,
so higher loss rates at the message level)
- NATing that will kill interior apps anyway
any app the NAT doesn't _already_ know about
> Interop is about allowing everything not explicitly prohibited, but
> don't tell that to the "corporate IT" folks, who want to give you
> freedom from pesky things like ways to do your job better... some jerk
> with a beard and a technical education knows how and when you should
> communicate, and he will let you know what communications technology you
> will be allowed to use. Cisco's firewall division tells him what's OK,
> and God (or TPC from the President's Analyst) tells Cisco.
In that case, you're safer doing IP over HTTP (yes, there is such an
animal).
Joe
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