[e2e] a new IRTF group on Transport Models

[Lynne Jolitz]

I'm sure we are all very pleased that Vint and Bob have been honored with the Turing Award this year. They both deserve it - their work has changed our world!

Congratulations Vint and Bob!
Lynne.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org
> [mailto:end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org]On Behalf Of Cannara
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> To: end2end-interest at postel.org
> Subject: Re: [e2e] a new IRTF group on Transport Models
> 
> 
> Bob, as you and anyone can tell from the archives on this list, I 
> and others
> have made positive suggestions for specific changes to both TCP and IP to
> improve matters.  However, even those submitting good papers have met with
> varying degrees of stonewalling.  So, the TCP/IP bureacracy now 
> functions as
> does any that has long lost its enthusiastic founders.
> 
> Indeed Bob Kahn deserves an award, since it was he who assured continued
> funding when folks in Washington were getting tired.  Vint Cerf surely
> deserves something too, since he made honest comments lamenting 
> the failure to
> continue protocol research, rather than stop esssentially where 
> we are.  So,
> my comments are intended to encourage movement beyond the 
> existence proof that
> today's Internet protocols are, into something more 
> professionally developed
> and maturing.  It's worth noting that the biggest movers on 
> Internet, both in
> terms of traffic and users, are based on non-IETF developments.
> 
> Alex
> 
> Bob Braden wrote:
> > 
> > At 04:57 PM 6/11/2005 -0700, Cannara wrote:
> > >Cool Ted!  And now maybe I've learned why the all the Apple 
> Lisa's on the show
> > >network, when they were introduced in SF, locked up when I accidentally
> > >brushed my palm across one's keyboard, while reaching for a brochure!
> > >Fortunately, Jobs was right there to chew out their tech crew, 
> when all that
> > >could get things working again was a full power cycle.
> > >
> > >Hey, maybe we could arrange the same fate for TCP as the Lisa 
> had?  Oops, I
> > >didn't say that.  :]
> > >
> > >Alex
> > 
> > Alex,
> > 
> > You are lapsing into adoselcent mode (again).  If you have a real,
> > well-thought-out
> > proposal for architecture and protocols to replace the Internet 
> protocols,
> > please
> > send us a pointer to your paper on the subject.  A technical 
> discussion of an
> > alternate architectural approach would be a good use of this 
> list.  Siimply
> > hurling
> > innuendos against TCP is boring, unproductive, and 
> unacceptable.  Cynicism
> > is not a
> > substitute for technical depth.
> > 
> > BTW, don''t forget to tell the ACM that they made a terrible mistake in
> > giving the
> > Turing Award to Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf, in San Francisco last evening.
> > 
> > Bob Braden
>