[e2e] end of interest

[Rute Sofia]

Agree with Christian. And specifically focusing on L3, there seems to be 
other wave coming, with FON and now the more recent Whisher. New 
business roles (virtual ISPs, micro-ISPs) are also emerging.

Rute


Christian Huitema wrote:
> In what world are you living, exactly? What about systems like Skype, or 
> Bit torrent? They are definitely pushing the envelope of end to end 
> designs, are widely deployed, and are not controlled by major corporations.
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org 
> [mailto:end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org] *On Behalf Of *Mahesh 
> Balakrishnan
> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2008 5:11 PM
> *To:* end2end-interest at postel.org
> *Subject:* Re: [e2e] end of interest
> 
>  
> 
> In fact there seems to be pushback from both ends --- we can't deploy 
> end-to-end protocols because major companies own the end-host stacks; 
> and we can't push mechanisms deep into the network because ISPs and 
> router companies own the network. Arguably the latter source of pushback 
> played a major role in the emergence of the e2e philosophy; but now we 
> have equally powerful commercial forces on the other side.
> 
> So effectively the only practical mode of deployment seems to be the 
> 'almost' end-to-end middlebox --- one hop away from the end-host but not 
> quite into the network (and the Maelstrom work I presented day before 
> yesterday at NSDI would be one example).
> 
> - mahesh
> 
> --
> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~mahesh
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: end2end-interest-bounces at postel.org on behalf of David P. Reed
> Sent: Fri 4/18/2008 9:13 AM
> To: Jon Crowcroft
> Cc: 'end2end-interest at postel.org'
> Subject: Re: [e2e] end of interest
> 
> I personally think that the network community has become frustrated with
> the inability to explore end-to-end protocols because the endpoint
> stacks are "locked in" by vendors in proprietary code.
> 
> <snip>
> 


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