[e2e] Are we doing sliding window in the Internet?

[Joe Touch]

Injong Rhee wrote:
...
> I agree that the process could have been more diplomatic and it could
> have been improved. However, what's done is done. Wide-scale tests in
> some sense have been done for three to four years, as you said,
> unknowingly. If you don't trust that as a test, I am puzzled on what
> kind of wide-scale tests (with volunteers) we can do without causing
> disruption on the production networks.

For all you know there have been problems - either failure to provide
benefit (which is otherwise harmless), or real problems - which you
haven't bothered to detect or collect statistics on. Closing your eyes
when you run an experiment doesn't declare it a success.

> Could you suggest the kind of wide-scale tests we can do with proper
> measurement and real users involved in real Internet and without causing
> disruption? It seems almost unrealistic.

Ask the same people at the IETF you did an end-run around by accepting
Experimental status.

> Besides, were the same types ofelow).
> tests performed before their release of IETF TCPs?

There was quite a bit of testing and peer review. If you really want to
find out what everyone on this list thinks of how this evolved, why
don't you tell them what you told me in a private email about why you
chose experimental track rather than standards track. The rest of us
have the guts to go through peer review when we muck with standards.

Joe

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