[e2e] Protocols breaking the end-to-end argument

[Jaime Mateos]

Jon Crowcroft wrote:
> Flow labs and end-to-end arguments?
> well, I guess what I am trying to say above
> is that we are rapdily seeing the sublimation
> of the entire naive idea of an "end point"
> in network, transport and application terms
> so I can't answer your specific query...
>
>   

Do you mean we need to redefine the "end points" beyond the conventional 
meaning of hosts, but keep applying the end to end argument with its 
bias towards simpler, more flexible networks; or that we should do away 
with end to end, and recognize that the new demands/pressures you list 
above can only be met with network based protocols?
Cheers,
Jaime