[e2e] j'accuse NFV

[Khaled Elsayed]

But if endpoints have such choice to bypass or turn off, would there be any
endpoint out there that would choose not to?



On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM, David P. Reed <dpreed at reed.com> wrote:

> This argument presumes that firewalls work.... of course they can know
> neither the meaning of the packet to the sender nor the meaning to the
> receiver. So just as an air filter cannot protect your ears from shocking
> utterances,  the idea that a packet firewall ought to be entrusted to
> protect communicators from mischief is silly...
>
> Of course the endpoints need to be able to shut down or to bypass such
> "helpful" things as firewalls. They are at best kludges.
>
> On May 4, 2015, Khaled Elsayed <kelsayed at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You mean like a hacking packet would say please don't process me via that
>> nifty NFV firewall or something :-)
>>
>> Khaled
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Djamel Sadok <jamel at cin.ufpe.br> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> May be we could also give the end user flow the possibility to say that
>>> it
>>> does not want to have its data packets processed by any NFV or even black
>>> list some NFVs (types of functions) on the path. Would this be possible
>>> to
>>> achieve? would it render NFV ineffective? can both NFV and Not NFV
>>> (bypass
>>> it) on given flows live together?
>>>
>>> Djamel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Matt Mathis <mattmathis at google.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:26 PM, <l.wood at surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ah, j'accuse TLA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SDN is not is the same bucket, let me assure you.
>>>>
>>>> As for TCP, good algorithms are portable between protocols, bad
>>>>
>>> algorithms
>>>
>>>> are dangerous at any scale. Once you fully deconstruct the protocol, I
>>>> don't care so much about the packet format.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
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