Fw: [e2e]where can i find an ip or host address list?

[Dmitri Loguinov]

Ran,

Do you mind citing a court case where someone is convicted for pinging a host (or 100,000 of them for research purposes)?

Dmitri
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RJ Atkinson 
  To: David G. Andersen 
  Cc: end2end-interest at postel.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [e2e]where can i find an ip or host address list?



  On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:09, David G. Andersen wrote:
  > On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 11:26:08AM -0400, RJ Atkinson scribed:
  >>
  >> You need to get advance permission from the legitimate owner/operator
  >> of any host you might probe.  To run a probe of someone else's system
  >> without
  >> specific advance permission could  violate the law and is certainly
  >> anti-social
  >> behaviour.
  >
  >   IANAL, but court decisions in the US have generally said that
  > pinging hosts isn't against the law.  Lots of research projects do
  > this all of the time.  They often generate complaints, however,
  > and it's best to take several steps to avoid stepping on people's
  > toes.  I'll send out the list I've compiled once I find it - totally
  > hosed with the NSDI deadline right now.

  David,

  There are court cases contrary to what you say, both in the US and 
  overseas.
  Moreover, the correspondent is in China, not the US.   Chinese law is 
  quite
  unrelated to any US legal precedents that might exist in some US 
  jurisdictions.

  And trying to establish a TCP connection is not the same as sending an
  ICMP Echo Request.

  I stand by my original comment *as I originally phrased it*.

  Ran


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